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PostSubject: We care. They care. Or perhaps not so much these days..........   We care. They care.  Or perhaps not so much these days.......... Icon_minitimeFri Jul 03, 2020 11:50 pm

An interesting read concerning a freedom of information request centring around RF amps and the official reply.......

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/illegal_use_of_linear_amplifiers

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PostSubject: Re: We care. They care. Or perhaps not so much these days..........   We care. They care.  Or perhaps not so much these days.......... Icon_minitimeSat Jul 04, 2020 6:01 am

Well Rory, that started my morning well.....I have the biggest smile on my face! Smile

Cheers for posting that Very Happy

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Good post, Rory.👍
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They should do something about total ******* abusing the FoI process (full disclosure: total ******* who abuse the FoI process make my working life more difficult).

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I bet the complainer is dissapointed by that responce, how would they know this individual runs a 400w linear on the C.B. anyway?
Sounds like a case of sour grapes to me, this individual is breaking the rules and I am telling, what are you going to do about it?
I wonder if these tell-tales would be so fast to complain if they had to give their name along with the complaints, somehow I doubt it very much!

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Ha! Very Happy Agree with you there Alan mate.

"It's not fair...I'm telling!".....sounds like my granddaughters but they've got an excuse, they're literally children Wink

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Alan - Mirror Man wrote:
I bet the complainer is dissapointed by that responce, how would they know this individual runs a 400w linear on the C.B. anyway?

The signal strength measured by OFCOM's remote monitoring network they can use from the comfort of their desk at Baldock. It's not like amateur radio where antennas with 10dB actual real world gains are possible thus making it much harder to decide whether a foundation is running 10W or 100W or a full licence is running 400W or 1.5kW without a site visit.

You will never ever see 20dB gain in any CB antenna ever which would be needed to give a comparable ERP and signal strength to someone using a 400W linear in a typical installation.
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Alan - Mirror Man wrote:
I bet the complainer is dissapointed by that responce, how would they know this individual runs a 400w linear on the C.B. anyway?

The signal strength measured by OFCOM's remote monitoring network they can use from the comfort of their desk at Baldock. It's not like amateur radio where antennas with 10dB actual real world gains are possible thus making it much harder to decide whether a foundation is running 10W or 100W or a full licence is running 400W or 1.5kW without a site visit.

You will never ever see 20dB gain in any CB antenna ever which would be needed to give a comparable ERP and signal strength to someone using a 400W linear in a typical installation.
Better watch out I hear they have especially modified detector vans that can tell if you are using an antenna with to much gain so your ERP is over the limit too! :*

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Lol,

Thought that was an Ice Cream van for a sec Alan -  Razz
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I didn't think anybody still fell for the "We are watching you" propaganda any more, "the vans are in your area" and we can see what you are doing form our desks in Baldock, start using just one watt over the limit and WE WILL KNOW!

Sounds like a load of old Baldocks to me at least!
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Ahaha she told him to “Spin the dial”

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Great pics there Martin & Alan, blast from the past Smile

They still try the same tricks even nowadays.
No TV licence? We're sending the boys around. What you mean you ain't got a TV? Don't believe you, you need a licence!! A**holes! Very Happy

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I remember the RA bringing round a TV detector van to a ham rally many years ago.
I also remember whist the minders were distracted some folk moving the BNC's around on the back of the kit.

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Weren't the RA guys a bunch of self important, arragont, .......I won't go on!

Love it Dave, swapping the BNCs around! Very Happy Bet they didn't have a clue either!

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Alan - Mirror Man wrote:
I didn't think anybody still fell for the "We are watching you" propaganda any more, "the vans are in your area" and we can see what you are doing form our desks in Baldock, start using just one watt over the limit and WE WILL KNOW!

Sounds like a load of old Baldocks to me at least!

OFCOM have a nationwide monitoring network. This isn't bullshit, this is fact and evidence has been used from it to prosecute people. Information was used from it to DF the guy who was convicted at Hull Crown Court. If a business licence holder puts in a complaint OFCOM use the AMS system to locate the offending transmitters.

SDR radios are very capable of doing diversity reception, hell even my Flexradio had the ability to do it. Using diversity reception you can work out the direction of signals. Using SDR radios you can access them over a network or the internet.

This was the state of play as far back as 2005....

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/research-and-data/technology/radio-spectrum/spectrum-use/ams

Ofcom currently has two programmes which utilise unattended equipment for spectrum management and interference resolution purposes.

  • The remote monitoring and direction finding (RMDF) system currently consisting of 24 sites with the capabilities to detect signals and their direction of arrival from 20 MHz to 3 GHz.
  • The Unattended Monitoring System (UMS) currently with 28 sites capable of providing occupancy information from 20MHz to 3GHz.

These systems have been deployed separately because the RMDF systems are optimally sited on high ground so that they have the highest chance of receiving an interfering signal, whereas the UMS systems are optimally mounted in city centres where they only receive local signals and so can accurately map the usage in that city.

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Better watch out or we can expect a knock at the door eh?

It's a terrible thing to live in fear!

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Here in Finland when tv went digi, they scrap the licence fee for tv 100%, but the next day we got a new tax, called Media Tax, take a bit from your wage and give it to the tv dept, even if you do not have a tv, 

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If OFCOM are that hot, how come they haven't stopped the local repeater abuse that's been going on here (Leics. E Mids) for years. Everyone knows who it is and he gets away with effing and blinding on any analogue repeater he can find. He has been reported countless times yet he persists with the abuse with little regard to genuine hams. He's an M5 licence holder too, so it takes the p***. /rant.

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I think, as with all bodies that hold powers of enforcement, (police, council planning dept, Ofcom, etc, ) it is a question of resources these days.
When you think about it, Ofcom is a huge regulatory body with much to do. Some amateurs and 11 meters using a few extra Watts (a couple of extra dB) and the odd blue word is not really going to bother them.

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The Doctor wrote:
I think, as with all bodies that hold powers of enforcement, (police, council planning dept, Ofcom, etc, )  it is a question of resources these days.
When you think about it, Ofcom is a huge regulatory body with much to do. Some amateurs and 11 meters using a few extra Watts (a couple of extra dB) and the odd blue word is not really going to bother them.
Sad but very true Rory.

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Back in York area 79/80 was in my brothers car, got pulled over by traffic Police, dv27 on the bumper and a President Veep am rig, Police call for advice on what to do about the radio, they were told not to bother, brother got a ticket for some light defect and we went on our way, after that i was on the radio non stop from home, Formac rig and Fire stick on a old MG boot lid in the loft, happy days. 

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