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PostSubject: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeSun Apr 18, 2021 4:29 pm

Hello friends.

Hope all of you are well.

What a glorious weekend in the UK! No USB frequency lift though.

Then I wondered what are the calling Frequencies for :

AM
CW
LSB

Never used these functions. Only play with USB AND FM.

What does CW stand for?

Cheers folks.

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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeSun Apr 18, 2021 7:04 pm

CW stands for "continuous wave" bit of a misnomer as it is anything but continuous
It is a carrier switched on  and off by a morse key ie it's Morse Code.
Lower Side Band is accepted to be 27.385 (It's the American calling freq for lsb)
As for AM, What I do is scan around mids on ssb and if I hear the AM carrier beating with the ssb carrier until the carrier goes down in tone until it's gone, then switch  to Ancient Mode.
Channel 6 (mids) is as good a place to listen when cross-pond comes in

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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeSun Apr 18, 2021 9:00 pm

Hello David,

When the conditions are good, have a listen on 27.515 lsb, as it is the domestic calling frequency for the West Indies. There are some really good contacts to be had.👍

73s John.

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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeSun Apr 18, 2021 11:25 pm

BigTone wrote:
CW stands for "continuous wave" bit of a misnomer as it is anything but continuous
It is a carrier switched on  and off by a morse key ie it's Morse Code.
Lower Side Band is accepted to be 27.385 (It's the American calling freq for lsb)
As for AM, What I do is scan around mids on ssb and if I hear the AM carrier beating with the ssb carrier until the carrier goes down in tone until it's gone, then switch  to Ancient Mode.
Channel 6 (mids) is as good a place to listen when cross-pond comes in

Can CB radios do morse code then if there is a function like mine to tune into CB?

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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2021 6:43 am

Have you got the cw socket ,,,yes then you can.

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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2021 8:44 am

How far does morse go from a CB? The static on CW mode always did sound "distance like" if that makes any sense to anyone else ha ha 😂

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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2021 10:16 am

I have a list, don't know where i got it, mentioning:





27.50527500 CW28.185CW JOTA

27.385CW?


28.055CW EU QRS
28.065CW EU QRP
Does this ring a bell by someone?

73

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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2021 12:00 pm

The 28 ones are armature band not cb.

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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2021 2:03 pm

I remember CB operators back in the AM days practicing Morse Code with each other so they could take their Morse test for a Radio Amateur licence. Used to hear it later too on the UK27/81 FM.

It wasn't CW mode, just bleeping tones with Morse practice oscillators across the airwaves.

Why not? If the Ham club wasn't open, you lived too far away from one or the local CW Ham couldn't be bothered to listen to your initial bad sending then you had little choice. It was radio people helping other radio people which is good in my book. Wink


Nowadays modern 'export' or sideband rigs are usually designed for Ham licence users for 10m operation as well as CB so these rigs tend to have a proper CW mode and even Morse key inputs. You'll notice how much quieter the hash noise is on CW modes and if you ever receive a Morse transmission the clarity of signal is something to behold.

I've still got to get to grips with CW Morse signals but I often listen to them on the Amateur bands and able to pick out CQ calls and the odd callsign. With a bit of practice and dedication I could maybe stretch to it myself. Wink


I'm all for people helping each other as well as expanding their radio horizons. CW Morse on CB frequencies as well as digital mode transmissions may not be technically 'legal', but in my eyes a darn sight more helpful than playing music or chatting on calling channels! Very Happy

It is all radio after all and I'm a big fan of blurring those misplaced boundaries between CBers, Hams and other nonsensical descriptions.

Decent radio operators want to make contacts and help each other. Assh*les do anything but.

Those are the only labels we should really have in the radio world. The mode of transmission shouldn't be important.

Bit hard to play music in Morse though isn't it? Very Happy


All the best,
Victor

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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2021 4:17 pm

When I was up a hill recently away from all the interference I did find some people talking on AM. I came across because I was having a flick through in USB mode and found an incomprehensible signal so switched to AM and could then hear properly.  More than one channel of 'AMers' that night too.  I was surprised!  I also found some LSB going on.
I did find UK FM 19 was completely unusable because of people just nattering on it rather than switching channel (and seemingly they were running plenty of power judging by signal strength I was getting from them and difficulty for me getting through it).  A shame really, back in the day calling frequencies were quite well respected I seem to remember.  I guess half the time there are so few people on that some folks have got out of the habit of switching channels.  Good in some ways that it's busy enough to be a problem.  There were quite a few UK FM channels in use too.  I'm flying the optimism flag here Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2021 4:28 pm

Cube
When you come across a signal like that, try using the fine tune / clarifier to get the signal bang on, then switch to am.
Remember that ssb is an optimised form of am
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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2021 5:32 pm

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So now we have to put up with all the digi modes plus morse aswell as the music playing and calling channel hoggers plus all the other cr@p   , so what channels can the REAL CBers use then ? ,what do all you Amateurs want everything ? , stay on your own bands and leave CB for real CBers and let the wannabe Amateurs use your frequencies to practice 

Rant Over ,sorry this does annoy me this subject.
Calm down.
I thought the op was a Cber not Amateur but could be wrong.

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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2021 6:22 pm

BigTone wrote:
Cube
When you come across a signal like that, try using the fine tune / clarifier to get the signal bang on, then switch to am.
Remember that ssb is an optimised form of am
Thanks BigTone, will have a fiddle with the clarifier next time.
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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2021 7:23 pm

Alan Pilot wrote:
NUBSTER wrote:
So now we have to put up with all the digi modes plus morse aswell as the music playing and calling channel hoggers plus all the other cr@p   , so what channels can the REAL CBers use then ? ,what do all you Amateurs want everything ? , stay on your own bands and leave CB for real CBers and let the wannabe Amateurs use your frequencies to practice 

Rant Over ,sorry this does annoy me this subject.
Calm down.
I thought the op was a Cber not Amateur but could be wrong.

Yes I am just a humble CB novice wondering what CW was for Smile

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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2021 8:09 pm

Never let an inquisitive mind be shut down by those with a closed one. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2021 8:33 pm

Hang on gen't while i get some popcorn and a drink.

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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeMon Apr 19, 2021 11:04 pm

I just don't comprehend the constant negativity Martin.

You can't complain that CB is dying in one breath and then condone anyone trying to find out more in another.

Using terms like 'REAL CBer' and 'Wannabe Amateurs' or other such really doesn't put a positive spin on what can after all be an enjoyable hobby. It's no better than Hams bemoaning new licence holders either.

We can't sit in 19-clickety-click. Radio evolves as time moves on the same as anything else and we should welcome those changes and embrace anyone that wants to become part of it. We'd soon see the radio waves devoid of operators if they are constantly confronted with negative opinions and that would be a crying shame.

It's far easier to lighten up, maybe take a breathe and help each other enjoy the hobby of radio and all the interests that lay therein.

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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeTue Apr 20, 2021 5:29 am

Ok, I’m going to lock this thread as it seems to have been hijacked again by Martin. 

@nubster. Think about apologising to the people you have demeaned on this thread, please. To speak to Victor in that manner is disgusting after the knowledge he has imparted on this forum since his arrival. How dare you call in to question his credentials when they are clear for all to see.

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PostSubject: Re: AM & CW and LSB   AM & CW and LSB Icon_minitimeTue Apr 20, 2021 2:35 pm

David, I apologise for closing the thread. If you would like more information please start a new one.

EDIT: Due to a change in circumstances I am now unlocking this thread. Please feel free to continue the Original Discussion.

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