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PostSubject: Re: Disappointment In Ham Radio   Disappointment In Ham Radio - Page 3 Icon_minitimeSun Jun 26, 2022 8:56 am

Sharpshooter, I enjoy both ends of the spectrum the ham side for me is more challenging due to my licence conditions but my 818 has got me across the pond on home brew antennas and the 2m/70cm handheld has also done me proud both on a magmount and home made yagi, a resent tick in the box for me was via the GB3SH repeater from Roundway Hill near Devizes in Wiltshire to a chap on a ship 30miles off Southampton in the channel yes the repeater is doing the work but on 5watts on a handheld not bad in my book. The CB side has its attractions of SSB and FM networking which I am currently playing with I have brought a home base antenna now but have been using home made T2LT and a 5/8 wave gain master type both have achieved many contacts into Europe but it’s early days and will no doubt fill my log book with other places in time. My wife is the same regarding the antennas on the car or when static mobile as I normally put up the 8m pole strapped to the wheel on the car people just look up and shake their heads. She lowers her seat and look’s the other way. She has said I wonder what they think your doing especially when I had the yagi on a pole looking for the high point during a call never mind keeps me active.

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PostSubject: Re: Disappointment In Ham Radio   Disappointment In Ham Radio - Page 3 Icon_minitimeTue Jun 28, 2022 3:40 pm

Hello Victor
We had a brief chat a while ago about digital modes, specifically JS8, and I got the impression you were just thinking about it not actually doing it so I'm glad you are.
I live in France and my problem is that my 2E0 doesn't cut it in Europe so I am restricted to 11m really. I am on it at some time nearly every day and am varying modes as much as possible, USB, all the digital modes if I see them, SSTV, but JS8 the most. Some days I can hardly see the map of Europe on PSK Reporter because of all the green symbols! I have one or two CW contacts in France but either they don't hear me or are too fast.
I could of course go to the UK and do the full licence but can't be bothered, 11m is good enough for me especially Asia/Pacific in the winter. I just love a good contact there either USB or digital with my Moxon antenna which is good but I would prefer something better if I had the space.
Anyway, I do enjoy your posts, keep'em coming!

73 Ian 14CT007

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PostSubject: Re: Disappointment In Ham Radio   Disappointment In Ham Radio - Page 3 Icon_minitimeThu Jun 30, 2022 8:01 am

Wireless wrote:
chazwozza wrote:
I’ll never hear ya then lol

The better your antenna, the less power you need.

If I ran 400 Watts into an low gain antenna, and it got a signal out, all well and good, except as its a low gain antenna you'll never hear anyone.

I run 10 Watts and can have SSB contacts with Indonesia, if the right band is open, using the right antenna for the propagation; but if 11m isn't open, you'll never propagate much beyond line of sight (it does travel a little further), even if you ran a 1000 Watts.  You can't beat the physics.

In some circumstances at low frequencies you might propagate further using ground wave, and indeed with mine rescue, low frequencies can propagate through rock to deep below the ground.

So having a powerful TX and being RX deaf doesn't help you hear anyone, unless the other station has a better antenna, and even then, they could be running 10 Watts vs your 1000 Watts.

At the end of the day, a Yagi Beam and Rotator is cheaper than a 1000 Watt Linear Amplifier.
Not sure why you felt the need to expalin that
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PostSubject: Re: Disappointment In Ham Radio   Disappointment In Ham Radio - Page 3 Icon_minitimeThu Jun 30, 2022 8:03 am

Alan Pilot wrote:
I do talk as well but still don't need big power.
In the past i have tested power out and going from 5w to switching a 100w liner on mad 1 s-point.

I have talked to the USA Australia Canada and New Zeeland on 10w.
If you get your gear setup right that is half the battle but many just plug it all in and off they go.
Hmm interesting should've made 2
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PostSubject: Re: Disappointment In Ham Radio   Disappointment In Ham Radio - Page 3 Icon_minitimeThu Jun 30, 2022 12:25 pm

chazwozza wrote:
Alan Pilot wrote:
I do talk as well but still don't need big power.
In the past i have tested power out and going from 5w to switching a 100w liner on mad 1 s-point.

I have talked to the USA Australia Canada and New Zeeland on 10w.
If you get your gear setup right that is half the battle but many just plug it all in and off they go.
Hmm interesting should've made 2
Might have been 2 but it was over 35 years ago and my memory is not what it was.
What i was getting at sometimes power don't help that much if that makes sense as long as te rest of  your gear is working as it should.

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PostSubject: Re: Disappointment In Ham Radio   Disappointment In Ham Radio - Page 3 Icon_minitimeThu Jun 30, 2022 12:58 pm

Alan Pilot wrote:
chazwozza wrote:
Alan Pilot wrote:
I do talk as well but still don't need big power.
In the past i have tested power out and going from 5w to switching a 100w liner on mad 1 s-point.

I have talked to the USA Australia Canada and New Zeeland on 10w.
If you get your gear setup right that is half the battle but many just plug it all in and off they go.
Hmm interesting should've made 2
Might have been 2 but it was over 35 years ago and my memory is not what it was.
What i was getting at sometimes power don't help that much if that makes sense as long as te rest of  your gear is working as it should.

As I’m sure you know, each doubling of power is 3dB or half an S-point….so 5w to 100w is just over 2-points.

I find when conditions are good, you can make a contact almost regardless of power….but when they’re not so good, flicking on the amp can give just enough punch to be heard.

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PostSubject: Re: Disappointment In Ham Radio   Disappointment In Ham Radio - Page 3 Icon_minitimeSat Jul 02, 2022 9:25 am

Thing is how many radio's out there are calibrated to 6dB per S point ? , maybe some of the older ones but my FT991A and FTDX10 are much more like 2.5>3 dB per S point at the lower end of the scale S 5 or below and in my own tests signals at S5 from someone running 100w drop to around S1 when they switch to 10w. An Indian amateur did a test of randomly sampled rigs and the FT991A didn't get close to the IARU standard till S7 (6.8 for the FT991A- S8 =8.2 for the 991a and S9= 9+4dB for the 991a )  with S1 by the IARU standard an S4 on the 991a he tested and these sort of results were true across the board for the manufactures/rigs he sampled. YMMV

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PostSubject: Re: Disappointment In Ham Radio   Disappointment In Ham Radio - Page 3 Icon_minitimeMon Jul 04, 2022 3:24 pm

s1 or s9+ not bothered as long as i can make the contact.

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