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Call Sign : 26-CT-4253 Posts : 61 Times Thanked : 0 Join date : 2021-09-15 QTH or Location : Cambridge, Cambridgeshire Equipment Used : CRT SS6900N, RTL-SDR Blog V3, Baofeng UV5R-3.
Subject: Antenna Mast Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:00 pm
OK, so I have been suggested to do impossible and unrealistic things to my aerial.
As I live in the UK, where we dont seem to make anything , I thought about a Fiberglass mast, as i only need and want it at 3 meters length.
Cannot find a supplier who doesnt want an arm and two legs, nor who can supply in lengths longer than 2 meters.
Telescopic poles were considered, but I dont know enough about them, like full time /permanent use, and wind resistance with a 1kg antenna to carry.
So how about I buy a stair wooden hand rail ? Cost effective, comes in a 3 meter length as one piece, is Non-Conductive and doesnt really affect radio waves.
Would you, should I ?
tia, & 73's.
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SangueG Major contributor
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:47 pm
DX Commander Callum has stated in a couple of his videos that is how he started out. Give it a good coat of varnish or other weather proofing to make it last a bit longer in the weather.
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Alan Pilot Major contributor
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:07 pm
I have had a scanner aerial up for around 7 years and it is on roof batons. 3Mtr long tanalised and still like new well the colour has changed but the wood is still good. Cost less than £5.
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Mr Scientist New Member
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:33 pm
NoMad wrote:
OK, so I have been suggested to do impossible and unrealistic things to my aerial.
As I live in the UK, where we dont seem to make anything , I thought about a Fiberglass mast, as i only need and want it at 3 meters length.
Cannot find a supplier who doesnt want an arm and two legs, nor who can supply in lengths longer than 2 meters.
Telescopic poles were considered, but I dont know enough about them, like full time /permanent use, and wind resistance with a 1kg antenna to carry.
So how about I buy a stair wooden hand rail ? Cost effective, comes in a 3 meter length as one piece, is Non-Conductive and doesnt really affect radio waves.
Would you, should I ?
tia, & 73's.
Hello Nomad,
Before you erect anything take into consideration the neighbours. Because some monstrosity swaying around in the breeze in your garden or attached to your side of your property. Can reduce the price of your neighbours properties by 10% something they won't appreciate. The keywords with aerials are DISCREET and COVERT. Have you considered putting a loop aerial in your loft....?
If you live in social housing then simply ignore what I wrote, as it doesn't matter what you do in those types of dwelling.
I, your humble narrator
Mr Scientist
Last edited by Mr Scientist on Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:20 am; edited 5 times in total
Red Fox Senior contributor
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:40 pm
Andy,
Take the good advice from the first two posts and ignore the ####### who thinks they are a deity.
At least a deity would be able to spell
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:43 am
Mr Scientist wrote:
Hello Nomad,
Before you erect anything take into consideration the neighbours. Because some monstrosity swaying around in the breeze in your garden or attached to your side of your property. Can reduce the price of your neighbours properties by 10% something they won't appreciate. The keywords with aerials are DISCREET and COVERT. Have you considered putting a loop aerial in your loft....?
If you live in social housing then simply ignore what I wrote, as it doesn't matter what you do in those types of dwelling.
I, your humble narrator
Mr Scientist
My new neighbours, who I dislike intensely, got their house cheaper because of my antenna farm.
Ain't got any PP and if they complain I will ask for a taller mast.
Back to original post, most likely overkill but if you want a really sturdy long lasting telescopic mast look no further than the Spiderbeam alloy ones. Expensive but will out last you and easily handle a few kilos, add a three paracord guys and it easily handles storm 11 winds. My 10metre one holds my Cobweb at 8metres no problem. Forget those cheaper wankie ones as they are crap, guess how I know.
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Sat Nov 13, 2021 8:38 am
You could just turn the dipole around 90 degrees to horizontal. This will disprove or otherwise whether the existing aluminium mast is affecting your v:swr
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:31 am
Thanks for your replies.
Some have missed the point, 3 meters, no more. Council flat / flat roof / no loft. Fc k my neighbour, he's an a55hole anyway, and he has a sat dish near, and his broadband twisted pairs run all over the place, wrapped around metal railings too. [and sure he's sharing his internet with one of those -should be banned- internet over mains.]
@Mr Scientist 3 meters, hardly a monstrocity. and my scummy neighbours would have already reduced property prices by 75%, so wont make any difference, besides its council.
@Sydthecat not sure I understand your reply.....or who it's aimed at.
thanks for your replies.
think I'll go wooden.
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:13 pm
Hey, @nomad. Really. Listen. I do not believe that your woes are caused by your vertical dipole being attached to a vertical aluminium pole. Please try what I suggested. Otherwise I'm afraid it's difficult to help further.
Red Fox Senior contributor
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:01 pm
Andy,
I was looking at the site below as a possible upgrade solution for one of my antennas, might be of some use if the sizes and cost are suitable.
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:32 pm
Sydthecat wrote:
Can see the bell end of the week award being re introduced
Craig ( humble CT Admin )
Can we vote?
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:48 pm
Lol thankfully this weeks number one contender has now left the building
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Alan Pilot Major contributor
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:34 am
Did you lock the door when you pushed him through it. Not bad we have only had 2 i think this year ?? ..
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:49 am
We certainly did Alan
Yes we do get them now and again but as you say only 2 or 3 this year
Craig CT Admin
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:26 am
I do not appreciate these comments. I take them as a form of trolling. Please grow up, this is not what I come here for.
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:28 am
@ Red Fox ; thanks for the link.
I sometimes miss searches [because Im no slave to Google data collecting] for using an alternate browser.
Alan Pilot Major contributor
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:33 am
NoMad My problem came about with him when he had a go at Victor. Victor will help anybody with anything and also go out of his way if needed. There was no need for his comments. Do you have a problem with me Report me to admin if you have.
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:09 pm
I think we've got a bit of a wires-crossed misunderstanding going on here and probably not helped by the events that occurred during this posting.
NoMad - Andy,
There were some unruly comments made by a member, (Mr. Scientist), who has ultimately been banned from the forum and a lot of the retorts above were obviously aimed squarely at him and I can reassure you not towards yourself.
This posting could have been 'tidied' a bit better to reflect this but considering all of the Admin staff are volunteers you can understand some things may be missed. (I'd already tidied up so much elsewhere on the forum but can't catch everything.)
Be assured that the members still residing here do so in their common interest of radio and their exemplary efforts in helping each other where they can.
I hope that clears things up and when I have time I will try my very best to further 'clean' the forum to prevent such misunderstandings.
All the very best,
Victor
CT Admin.
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:20 pm
I do not appreciate these comments. I take them as a form of trolling. Please grow up, this is not what I come here for.
I don’t come here to read utter dribble by idiots either, which is what started the whole thing when the now banned member started being a knob. IME, bell ends need to be told they’re bell ends, as often they have no idea.
Feel free to scroll on by, and I will refrain from offering assistance in your threads by return. I’ll leave you to “fxxk your a$$hole neighbour” as per your earlier post…..
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:40 pm
Ah, well spotted Jeff seems I missed quite a few things.
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:22 am
Good point Jeff. "Feel free to scroll on by, and I will refrain from offering assistance in your threads by return".. Didn't think of that but will try to remember it.
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:03 pm
NoMad wrote:
Cannot find a supplier who doesnt want an arm and two legs, nor who can supply in lengths longer than 2 meters.
I got mine from the company who advertises in the back of Radcom, just looked at the Radcom I have and sods law it's not in there. They do lengths up to 5 metres long. If you go to scaffolding companies they're now using fibreglass/composite poles now too.
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:06 am
@ Alan Pilot ; <<<<<<<<< Did you lock the door when you pushed him through it. Not bad we have only had 2 i think this year ?? .." >>>>>>>>>> this is what I was asking you about as I dont understand this. What relivence does this have with my question ?
@Trunky, I swr'd it horizontal. It was when I put it verticle on the mast that then the swr went sky high.
Boom is a metre out on a plastic pipe.
43CT016but my alcoholic violent crack & Meth users have caused me mass problems, so thats my opinion about them regarding my aerial. Language was censored, so sorry mr snowflake if that censorship offends you.
@Redfox, do you know if that company are in business ? ? only the phone number doesnt connect, emails are not answered, so I wont send money online if they are not there anymore.
@ Northern Crusader ;what an empty reply, so what was the company name/details that you bought from then ? or is it a secret .......
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:15 am
NoMad wrote:
@Trunky, I swr'd it horizontal. It was when I put it verticle on the mast that then the swr went sky high.
Boom is a metre out on a plastic pipe.
I can't help but think something else is going on here. I also have a vertical dipole standing 30cm off an aluminium mast with the coax going down the mast, There is even a 50MHz halo just below centre of the dipole on the same mast. I have no problems with the dipole match. I accept that the radiation pattern may very well be skewed but I have been working stations all over the world over the last few weeks.
I would be thinking about your connections, a break in the coax or something similar. Can you define "sky high"?
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Subject: Re: Antenna Mast Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:25 am
@Red Fox - Ignore last sentence: Ive got through to them now & ordered.
Trunky, I really don't know. I have checked all connections with my multimeter, and no shorts, the coax core runs up, and sheild runs down, and is conducted. Ive bought an external swr meter/matcher now, so will use the matcher for a while until my fibreglass mast arrives in a day or two, then I will start ""afresh"" with it. If that doesn't work I will rip it down and jump up and down on it until it's completely ruined then throw it away and ....not sure yet which way this'll go. ..