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PostSubject: Re: Swearing on air, is it really such a big deal?   Swearing on air, is it really such a big deal? - Page 2 Icon_minitimeTue Nov 23, 2021 12:48 pm

Hmm, I find it odd that people say they find it "disgusting" even though they swear amongst friends.   Is it disgusting language?  Or disgusting because of the wrong person hearing?   When you swear amongst friends face to face, are you certain you can't be heard by anyone else?

I've always found the "norms" of society at odds with my own thoughts.   I find it odd how a word beginning with F is considered more severe than the B word, both refer to sexual acts...   And there are other similar comparisons I could make.  

I'm not going to keep arguing the toss, I think I know what the consensus is now.   Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and are free to choose who they wish to listen or indeed talk to.  Thanks for the responses everyone.
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Hi Chris,

Firstly a big thanks for starting this posting with what is a thought provoking or could even have become a contentious subject. Not many would have raised such a topic or even indeed handled themselves so well with opposing thoughts.

That same congratulations also goes to other members involved in this discussion that simply gave their view or even held back somewhat despite their opposing views.

I myself honestly do enjoy such debates especially when they are carried out in such a manner.
The water did get hot, but it didn't quite boil over - exemplary actions for any discussion or debate.


There has what appears to have been a general consensus as you mention and it's rewarding to know that people feel that it should be such rather than down to a simple written rule or regulation. It definitely gives me faith in such regulations that they aren't blindly written, demanded or otherwise bestowed on us without thought or some sense of meaning.

Yourself whether unfortunately or otherwise found yourself at odds with an opposing view on air even to the point of being confronted about it and hence your posting. Your on air conversation or banter with a friend could so easily have been simply listened to by others who then decide that swearing on air 'seems' to be acceptable or commonplace and continued the trend themselves.....


Thanks again Chris, thanks again to all members involved here and especially to everyone for simply not swearing on the forum. Wink Swearing on air, is it really such a big deal? - Page 2 1f44d 


All the very best to all and enjoy your radio,
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Victor wrote:
@ Wayne, (Wireless), as Radio Amateurs we have a 'cop-out' clause on the regulations to build, modify or otherwise alter equipment so long as it only for personal use and transmits within the allocated Amateur bands.......so legally and technically it means we cannot use 'Ham' gear for use on CB frequencies. (Not that it stops many. Wink )

I think Ofcom have done an incredible job at de-regulating many things stopping the tangled mess that it all used to be.

The licence free nature of CB radio is a typical example and it means that any one of us can legally use CB equipment, (within regulations), to our hearts content without requiring some form of technical training or qualification.

If Radio Amateurs wanted to encompass CB frequencies with the Amateur band plans to circumvent such issues there would be one hell of a stink!!!


I'll leave further discussion on those matters for another posting of its own, (feel free to start one), as this posting was originally concerned about 'swearing on air'. I'm sure there'll be some debate of what constitutes 'grossly offensive' or 'obscene' etc. 


All the best,
Victor

Cheers Victor,

Looks like I'll be also getting a CB SSB Transceiver after all then, the only person I have to hide the purchase from is the wife, ha.

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26uk81 wrote:
Hmm, I find it odd that people say they find it "disgusting" even though they swear amongst friends.   Is it disgusting language?  Or disgusting because of the wrong person hearing?   When you swear amongst friends face to face, are you certain you can't be heard by anyone else?

I've always found the "norms" of society at odds with my own thoughts.   I find it odd how a word beginning with F is considered more severe than the B word, both refer to sexual acts...   And there are other similar comparisons I could make.  

I'm not going to keep arguing the toss, I think I know what the consensus is now.   Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and are free to choose who they wish to listen or indeed talk to.  Thanks for the responses everyone.
Hi Chris, Just to clarify my point, when I said it is “‘disgusting and Abhorrent” I was referring to the Nature of the conversations that can be heard more than the actual Swear words. I hope that makes sense without having to go in to details. I don’t think I wrote it very well mate. As I’ve said, Great discussion.

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Alan Pilot wrote:
T5 has never been legal so never strict to the letter of the law.
I know what you are saying and at the time you are on with your m8.
Me i swear like a trooper face to face but not on the radio just never have even back on AM in the 70s.
Interested in what others have to say.
Hi Alan. I think it must be an age thing 🤔 😅.I .like yourself started radio life 76/77. ( small window sharp) went on to do full licence mid 90s. Even though I've recently gone back to my routes ( 2012/ss9900) I still treat all radio work with respect. Like you I use the odd expletives ever now and then. 🙊🤣🤣. But never on air. Anyway.  My first post on here. Take care and best wishes. 73. Greg. G7VAG.
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Ha Ha i had the small window and then the big window.
But my first was a general electrics ?? i think only had 23 channels or 24 then i upgraded to the sharp.

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Just thought I'd share this vid I just watched as it's totally related to the discussion.

It does contain some causal swearing so don't click play if you are offended by such language or if you have children or other people in the room with you who might be.

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Thought it was really funny when the old hand CBer told him off Neal and big respect for how it was handled not just turning into a slanging match.

Got to admit though that once the effing...effing...effing...continued on the video I had to switch off.

There's always the "It's what I'm effing like", or "Scuse my effing French", or even the "I'm not as effing bad as some", etc. but I just can't get past hearing all the effing...effing...effing when it becomes all you hear!

I'll bet the guy has some interesting stuff to share but unfortunately I'll never get to hear or view it due to the use of such language. Such a shame really.


Sure, someone may swear if they stub their toe or some such but I have better respect for those that grimace and let out a little "Ouch" or a "Sssssss" deep intake of breathe. A full on angered swearing rage with maybe a kick at whatever they stubbed their toe on holds me with much worry about their personality and what they'd be like in any other 'stressful' situation.

An expressive expletive may be acceptable for some also but there is a whole world of vocabulary that does a far better job of exclamation. I'm so glad my grandchildren use terms such as "The slide in the park was absolutely ginourmous!" rather than "It was effing huge!" and I'm sure many would agree.


So my personal view on swearing is not so much down to the use of the actual words, them being offensive enough, but the sometimes lack of personal control from those that utilise them. It's bad enough to be confronted with an angry person who uses a tirade of abusive words and unfortunately for me those that use vulgarities so loosely get judged as badly.

We don't have telepathic skills to know if we feel 'safe' with a fellow human being so rely on other means even if sometimes rather poorly. But if someone can swear so freely and retort with the usual, "If you don't like it" sort of response then what would they be like on other matters? I'm not one for someone's personal liberty being at the expense of others.


But respect for those that refrain from swearing when reminded and much more respect for those that refrain when in public.....remembering that each time we transmit into the electromagnetic spectrum it can often be received by anyone. Which in my eye is very public.


For those of you that read this and burst into a fit of swearing rage then please do continue to swear as it'll help me to identify and avoid you. For those that swear because they feel it's normalised then refraining from doing so may actually carry some weight as you're far less likely to be assessed so poorly.


Still an interesting discussion and a big thanks to all involved. Swearing on air, is it really such a big deal? - Page 2 1f44d 

All the best,
Victor

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heard it for years and been 65 next year to old to care its on the tv its every were and it does not bother me its that quiet up my way a bad word would good but not good to use bad language lots of things to say but lifes to short

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Victor...   I'm afraid I just don't do "ouch".    You wouldn't want to be a doorframe, fixture or fitting in my place.  You will have been called every expletive under the sun by now, and I've only lived here for two years.   My fan oven still isn't talking to me since last our  last heat and skin related set-to.    I know what you mean about kicking the object though....  Many times I've hurt myself even more from taking "revenge" on the inanimate object which just jumped out and assaulted me.  Laughing

Here's some light hearted reading on swearing:

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/dont-watch-your-mouth-swearing-can-actually-be-good-for-your-health

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If i hear swearing on the airwaves,i tend to ignore it and and chsnge channel,what annoys me the most,is the numpties who block up UK19 and stop others from getting out.These are the ones who are spoiling it for others!
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Personally I have a very foul mouth but prefer not to swear on radio, it’s nice to switch it off once in a while.
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Anybody wary of swearing best not go 19 in the Southampton area, a few rival cliques have established themselves  permanently on 19, and if one clique is chatting and the other clique are in the minority they'll do their best to interrupt each other, so 100w rigs keying over each other playing music etc. But the fun starts when they're evenly matched and verbally have at each other, like a Guy Ritchie movie in a retirement home....
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Personally i don't know anyone who hasn't used a bad word now and then, i would say just don't let it get out of hand, then again legally speaking it is against FCC rules and regulations, so i guess it's up to- do you hang with the crowd or follow the rules.
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Being a 11 meter only person i don't have to deal with most ham radio operators who stay on the ham frequencies but being 64 years old and having grown-up in a household where you would get your mouth washed out with soap i learned many years ago not to swear and don't believe it should be used on the radio at all.Victor wrote:
Thought it was really funny when the old hand CBer told him off Neal and big respect for how it was handled not just turning into a slanging match.

Got to admit though that once the effing...effing...effing...continued on the video I had to switch off.

There's always the "It's what I'm effing like", or "Scuse my effing French", or even the "I'm not as effing bad as some", etc. but I just can't get past hearing all the effing...effing...effing when it becomes all you hear!

I'll bet the guy has some interesting stuff to share but unfortunately I'll never get to hear or view it due to the use of such language. Such a shame really.


Sure, someone may swear if they stub their toe or some such but I have better respect for those that grimace and let out a little "Ouch" or a "Sssssss" deep intake of breathe. A full on angered swearing rage with maybe a kick at whatever they stubbed their toe on holds me with much worry about their personality and what they'd be like in any other 'stressful' situation.

An expressive expletive may be acceptable for some also but there is a whole world of vocabulary that does a far better job of exclamation. I'm so glad my grandchildren use terms such as "The slide in the park was absolutely ginourmous!" rather than "It was effing huge!" and I'm sure many would agree.


So my personal view on swearing is not so much down to the use of the actual words, them being offensive enough, but the sometimes lack of personal control from those that utilise them. It's bad enough to be confronted with an angry person who uses a tirade of abusive words and unfortunately for me those that use vulgarities so loosely get judged as badly.

We don't have telepathic skills to know if we feel 'safe' with a fellow human being so rely on other means even if sometimes rather poorly. But if someone can swear so freely and retort with the usual, "If you don't like it" sort of response then what would they be like on other matters? I'm not one for someone's personal liberty being at the expense of others.


But respect for those that refrain from swearing when reminded and much more respect for those that refrain when in public.....remembering that each time we transmit into the electromagnetic spectrum it can often be received by anyone. Which in my eye is very public.


For those of you that read this and burst into a fit of swearing rage then please do continue to swear as it'll help me to identify and avoid you. For those that swear because they feel it's normalised then refraining from doing so may actually carry some weight as you're far less likely to be assessed so poorly.


Still an interesting discussion and a big thanks to all involved. Swearing on air, is it really such a big deal? - Page 2 1f44d 

All the best,
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