New member introduction the different way

 Hi there !
While I am an OM doing DXing since uncountable years I am brand new to this site so I thought of giving a short introduction of myself. 
The Name is Alex, QTH is located in Western Germany close to Osnabruck. First QSO was, oh boy, in 1975 I think but since then like we Germans use to say lots of water would travel down the Rhine River, I still go for it.
Hopefully it wouldn't be a problem or even something against the rules that I just signed in here by already having a CT call sign which wasn't issued by the staff in here but by another CT web site with the difference of the letter Y in Charly's name.
I also don't know how to handle two different parties if they might work against each other so let's get this thing straighten out by working together. At last we could give it a try so I've decided to say hi to all of yours Charlie Tango members with much regards from those other Charly Tango's who claim there existence of the CT's in a previous corporation with the Netherlands and Germany since the 80's.
However, this forum seems to be pretty nice to me so I hope you still let me join.

Hi Alex welcome to CTDX.

Hello Alex,

Welcome to the Charlie Tango DX group.


I was aware that there was historically a DX group heralding from Germany with the moniker of 'CT' but have to admit that this is the first time I have heard from a member of that group either on-air or online.

I am not the founder of this group but an active member and willing volunteer to the administration team (of several years) so can only give you my perspective from this groups activity.

On our records/call sign lists we have 13CT030 recorded as a Peter from Ottobrun but obviously no '13CT30' nor a registration for yourself until this time.

We could happily if you so wished allocate you a call sign for this group but I'm not sure if that's the message you are trying to put across and we would only be able to accommodate you with a freely available number on our call sign lists.

There does not seem to be any activity online after a search for 'Charly Tango' nor any structured organisation so I can only assume that apart from the historical aspect there may be a few (or many?) older members that hark from that time as is obvious in your case.

I used to be a 'FP' or Foxtrot Papa UK member way back in the 1980's which I only joined as they were a structured group with a P.O.Box facility aiding my then early forays into CB DX with QSL card facilities as well as regular meetings held physically in a hall. 

Since they are long gone and faded into history I was delighted to come across this Charlie Tango group on my return to the radio interest who do their very best to run a structured system online to assist and aid radio users. They also do not have a strict set of rules for membership welcoming everyone regardless of their radio interest whether that be CB, PMR, SWL, Digital or even indeed Amateur Radio. That aspect appealed to me the most and is overall a very pleasant group to be part of. (I wouldn't have volunteered so readily to assist them in their day to day running otherwise.)

The old 'FP' group I was a member of was also known as the 'Friendly People' but have to admit that this Charlie Tango group is as friendly as it gets and I proudly hold as well as utilise my call sign of 26CT3228. It's longer than my old call sign of FP67 but that remains a distant happy memory along with a few old QSL cards I still own bearing that moniker.

I'm pretty sure that as the famous 'Alfa Tango' group still remains active and organised that there would be confusion if someone came along with an 'Alpha Tango' group regardless of spelling, but that would be a different story if Alfa Tango had faded into the history books.

Either way I wish you a warm welcome and it's good to meet another old time DX'er. 

We do welcome all whether an 'old hand' or even indeed a completely new user venturing into the exciting world of the radio interest.


All the best,
Victor

First of all let me thank you all for the welcomes and then I also will try to get y'all some info about the German CT group but in respect of your rules I'll send the page link via private message.
DX-Charly Tango is currently running the old homepage of its founder who past away a couple of years ago while the webmaster and admin can't speak even a single word English but German only which makes the whole thing of communication with you guys more than complicated. I am also not genius in talking English but I were able to learn some of it during about 3 years I've been working as a truck driver in Canada and the US until moving back to Germany in 2012.
Now I guess it'll be time to let you staff members know about the member list of Charly Tango at the German page. easilly just click on the countries flag which leads you to the directory you like to see including that one with the Union Jack.
And just to answer the question of an new call sign, many thanks for the offer but I guess the one I already have should be enough. I remember as well having trouble in the 80's with another Alfa Tango member who got issed my old AT call after I stopped paying the yearly amount of support for Aldo.
So I am aware of double call signs by the CT's either but I guess the double issuing will be happen not only about my call which is listed in Germany under 13CT0030. Surely We'll find a long therm solution for both parties of us thererfor I am really thankful we can handle that topic like real gentlemen. 
Once again thank you and very 73's.

Victor wrote:

Hello Alex,

Welcome to the Charlie Tango DX group.


I was aware that there was historically a DX group heralding from Germany with the moniker of 'CT' but have to admit that this is the first time I have heard from a member of that group either on-air or online.

I am not the founder of this group but an active member and willing volunteer to the administration team (of several years) so can only give you my perspective from this groups activity.

On our records/call sign lists we have 13CT030 recorded as a Peter from Ottobrun but obviously no '13CT30' nor a registration for yourself until this time.

We could happily if you so wished allocate you a call sign for this group but I'm not sure if that's the message you are trying to put across and we would only be able to accommodate you with a freely available number on our call sign lists.

There does not seem to be any activity online after a search for 'Charly Tango' nor any structured organisation so I can only assume that apart from the historical aspect there may be a few (or many?) older members that hark from that time as is obvious in your case.

I used to be a 'FP' or Foxtrot Papa UK member way back in the 1980's which I only joined as they were a structured group with a P.O.Box facility aiding my then early forays into CB DX with QSL card facilities as well as regular meetings held physically in a hall. 

Since they are long gone and faded into history I was delighted to come across this Charlie Tango group on my return to the radio interest who do their very best to run a structured system online to assist and aid radio users. They also do not have a strict set of rules for membership welcoming everyone regardless of their radio interest whether that be CB, PMR, SWL, Digital or even indeed Amateur Radio. That aspect appealed to me the most and is overall a very pleasant group to be part of. (I wouldn't have volunteered so readily to assist them in their day to day running otherwise.)

The old 'FP' group I was a member of was also known as the 'Friendly People' but have to admit that this Charlie Tango group is as friendly as it gets and I proudly hold as well as utilise my call sign of 26CT3228. It's longer than my old call sign of FP67 but that remains a distant happy memory along with a few old QSL cards I still own bearing that moniker.

I'm pretty sure that as the famous 'Alfa Tango' group still remains active and organised that there would be confusion if someone came along with an 'Alpha Tango' group regardless of spelling, but that would be a different story if Alfa Tango had faded into the history books.

Either way I wish you a warm welcome and it's good to meet another old time DX'er. 

We do welcome all whether an 'old hand' or even indeed a completely new user venturing into the exciting world of the radio interest.


All the best,
Victor

Hello Victor ! 
Unfortunatly I just tried to P.M. you and got this: New members are not allowed to post external links or emails for 7 days. Please contact the forum administrator for more information


Well if this takes its time it simply takes time. 
As soon it'll be possible I'll get you the link. Promised !

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Hello Victor ! 
Unfortunatly I just tried to P.M. you and got this: New members are not allowed to post external links or emails for 7 days. Please contact the forum administrator for more information


Well if this takes its time it simply takes time. 
As soon it'll be possible I'll get you the link. Promised !

 
Is this the link you were trying to post ?

https://www.dx-charlytango.de/mitgliederliste.htm

weealan wrote:

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Hello Victor ! 
Unfortunatly I just tried to P.M. you and got this: New members are not allowed to post external links or emails for 7 days. Please contact the forum administrator for more information


Well if this takes its time it simply takes time. 
As soon it'll be possible I'll get you the link. Promised !

 
Is this the link you were trying to post ?

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Yes you nailed it mate !

Hello again Alex,

You needen't worry about your English skills (which are very good) whereas "Mein Deutsch ist Nicht Gut".

Unfortunately I can also utilise "Ich Verstehe Nicht" as in I'm not completely understanding the reasoning behind your posting.

As I've only been an active member of this Charlie Tango group for about five years I'm going to pass on your details and this posting to one of our more long term admins. Unfortunately our founder has long disappeared but I believe one of the admin team members has been around since the inception of this Charlie Tango group.

I wish you well.

All the best,
Victor

Thanks for the link Alan (weealan) much appreciated mate.

Hello and welcome, Alex.

73s John.

Alright then I also thank Alan for helping me with that link as well as I thank you Victor to get this post to an admin, for I thought you are one of them. Sorry, my wrong. But anyways once again thank you all for the welcomes. Today afternoon I've got a phone call with the admin of the German group as he said kinda joint venture between Germany and the U.K. would be highly appreciated. 
Future plan also includes to renew the German homepage with an english language section and a link to this forum. I know Rome wasn't built in one day but if we go step by step it could be an awesome relationship not only between both parties of us but also for the worldwide DX community out there at their radios. You might call me a dreamer but many great things have been discovered troughout dreams, don't they ?
And thanks for the flowers about my english Victor. 

weealan I've needed to edit your quote while unable to post links but thanks anyways. 73's

Alex,

I am indeed one of the administrators here at Charlie Tango but amongst a group of several fulfilling the role of a team serving the group as a whole. As such I cannot speak solely or indeed alone for any matters arising for the Charlie Tango group without their conference which I hope you understand.

Details of this posting and your group have been passed along to the rest of the administration team members which has already seen response by a few but not all at this present moment. When all of the team are aware and discussions have been held we will respond in kind especially as this matter concerns the group as a whole.

We may from there on need to confer with members of the Charlie Tango group especially those of long standing as well as currently active as even the administrators do not stand alone but only exist to serve the wider community that is the Charlie Tango DX group. Every member counts especially as they number in the multiple of thousands not only here in the UK but also Internationally.

We will be in contact in due course but obviously only after we have addressed your apparent proposals.


All the best,
Victor

CT Admin.

13CT30 wrote:

Alright then I also thank Alan for helping me with that link as well as I thank you Victor to get this post to an admin, for I thought you are one of them. Sorry, my wrong. But anyways once again thank you all for the welcomes. Today afternoon I've got a phone call with the admin of the German group as he said kinda joint venture between Germany and the U.K. would be highly appreciated. 
Future plan also includes to renew the German homepage with an english language section and a link to this forum. I know Rome wasn't built in one day but if we go step by step it could be an awesome relationship not only between both parties of us but also for the worldwide DX community out there at their radios. You might call me a dreamer but many great things have been discovered troughout dreams, don't they ?
And thanks for the flowers about my english Victor. 

weealan I've needed to edit your quote while unable to post links but thanks anyways. 73's

Hi Alex

May i ask your position in the "charly tango group",,ie,member,,moderator,,admin ?

cheers and best wishes
Alan

weealan wrote:

13CT30 wrote:

Alright then . . .

weealan I've needed to edit your quote while unable to post links but thanks anyways. 73's

Hi Alex

May i ask your position in the "charly tango group",,ie,member,,moderator,,admin ?

cheers and best wishes
Alan

Alan I am a regular member of the DX-Charly Tango group just helping the admin over there doing negotiations (if this is wanted) because he can't talk english. 
And to be honest it was my idea to help him with that. 

I got call sign 13CT139 but someone on the list is 13CT0139
The old member is from North Rhine-Westphalia, I haven't had the chance to hear him on CB...

73's Dejan

madmax wrote:

I got call sign 13CT139 but someone on the list is 13CT0139
The old member is from North Rhine-Westphalia, I haven't had the chance to hear him on CB...

73's Dejan

Hello Dejan,

Don't worry this is a resurrected DX group from the 80's and 90's long since disbanded. Your call sign here belongs to you and no one else. 

If the "Charly Tango" group from germany gets back off the ground then a simple clarification between the two groups will be all that's needed.

Best 73 Gary.

C.T. Admin.

GaryWilson wrote:

madmax wrote:

I got call sign 13CT139 but someone on the list is 13CT0139
The old member is from North Rhine-Westphalia, I haven't had the chance to hear him on CB...

73's Dejan

Hello Dejan,

Don't worry this is a resurrected DX group from the 80's and 90's long since disbanded. Your call sign here belongs to you and no one else. 

If the "Charly Tango" group from germany gets back off the ground then a simple clarification between the two groups will be all that's needed.

Best 73 Gary.

C.T. Admin.

Alright Gary if all team members of this Charlie Tango group are thinking like you I must admit that my peace offer between those two parties will be ignored. The reason I came in here with this info is that simple as the U.K. group stole the idea of the German group which for fact still is active and wasn't death at any time. Just because the group's founder past away doesn't mean automatically the group as a whole will be long gone.
Call signs will be given for free as long those members will show their activity by giving the admin a shout at least one time in two years otherwise the call sign could be given away to an new member.
Now it'll be up to you guys how to handle my peace offer. If this isn't wanted, my ass. I am already a Charly Tango member with the originals. 
The best way to prevent double call signs could be the way of a membership in both groups. Note that all yellow flagged call signs are already inactive. In that case one shall apply for the wanted number. In case of 13CT139 that's impossible because the green flag shows an active status.

73's and best regards, Alex 13CT30

13CT30 wrote:

GaryWilson wrote:

madmax wrote:

I got call sign 13CT139 but someone on the list is 13CT0139
The old member is from North Rhine-Westphalia, I haven't had the chance to hear him on CB...

73's Dejan

Hello Dejan,

Don't worry this is a resurrected DX group from the 80's and 90's long since disbanded. Your call sign here belongs to you and no one else. 

If the "Charly Tango" group from germany gets back off the ground then a simple clarification between the two groups will be all that's needed.

Best 73 Gary.

C.T. Admin.

Alright Gary if all team members of this Charlie Tango group are thinking like you I must admit that my peace offer between those two parties will be ignored. The reason I came in here with this info is that simple as the U.K. group stole the idea of the German group which for fact still is active and wasn't death at any time. Just because the group's founder past away doesn't mean automatically the group as a whole will be long gone.
Call signs will be given for free as long those members will show their activity by giving the admin a shout at least one time in two years otherwise the call sign could be given away to an new member.
Now it'll be up to you guys how to handle my peace offer. If this isn't wanted, my ass. I am already a Charly Tango member with the originals. 
The best way to prevent double call signs could be the way of a membership in both groups. Note that all yellow flagged call signs are already inactive. In that case one shall apply for the wanted number. In case of 13CT139 that's impossible because the green flag shows an active status.

73's and best regards, Alex 13CT30

If he had been registered at least on clusterdx.nl, I would have known because then I wouldn't have been able to register with that callsign, so I would have requested a different callsign. Now I am registered under that callsign, I started logging contacts and exchanging QSL cards.
If you understand what I mean. I didn't approach this hobby to chat with a neighbor on the other side of town or to check in once every two years just so everyone knows I exist.
Ask your member if you are in contact with them what their opinion is on everything...

My opinion on this, as someone who is neither English nor German, is... let go of history, who came first, who is older, it leads nowhere.
The problem exists in the present and needs to be solved.
For all future callsigns, check both lists.


73's Dejan

Hello Alex,

What on earth are you talking about when you refer to a "Peace offer" There isn't any acrimony from here in the U.K.

Let me remind you that this DX group was founded in 2009 by Lee "FireTrap" who by coincidence is no longer and active member of the group. The Charlie Tango DX Group in the U.K was also registered for copyright at that time without any objection from yourselves. 

I have been involved with this DX group for 10 years and not once have I been contacted by anyone from the German group. I have however had ex members of the German group join here stating that they used to belong to the old German group before it disbanded. We also have life long radio operators as members who have also constantly stated an awareness of a German group from the 80's and 90's that is no longer active. I myself have been a radio operator since I was 16 years old and am now 60. I am predominantly active on the Amateur bands as opposed to 11 meters but I have never once met a single operator be it on 11 meters or anywhere else who has declared membership of "Charly Tango Germany" perhaps you can now see why we haven't been as receptive as you hoped we would be.

Frankly Alex you have joined our forum and used a username/call sign that has already been allocated by us to one of our own members. You have inserted in your profile picture the very same call sign promoting your own DX group demanding a merger for our mutual benefit citing that we have "stolen your idea". This is extraordinary and at the very least lacking any common courtesy or diplomacy.

We are an inclusive DX group that welcomes all from beginners to life long radio operators. Our forum is dedicated to radio in all its's forms whatever your interest in the hobby is. We don't charge any membership fees and the forum is run and maintained by a group of volunteers that give their time for free in the promotion of this great hobby. We always encourage and assist new members to learn and develop their radio knowledge and skills. Quite often returning C.B'ers who progress to being fully licenced Amataer radio opparators.

Lastly we have many thousands of members globally and we value them very much indeed. With respect to the 13 division in particular but to all of our members globally we absolutely stand by them and the call signs that we have issued to them during the 15 continuous years that this group has existed. Did you really expect us to turn our back on them?

Alex you are still welcome here however like any other member we expect you to read and abide by the rules of this club. I draw your attention in particular to the rules concerning advertising, self promotion and conduct when interacting with other members.

I am politely requesting that out of respect and courtesy to our member Peter 13-CT-030 that you change your user name and any reference to that particular call sign in your user profile. I will of course be delighted to allocate you any free 13 division call sign that you would like.

I thank you in advance for reading this message and giving it due consideration. We can and have always co existed in peace with all other DX groups and their members who we consider comrades with a common love of our hobby.

Best 73 to you and your family.

Gary.

C.T. Admin.

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The best way to prevent double call signs could be the way of a membership in both groups. Note that all yellow flagged call signs are already inactive. In that case one shall apply for the wanted number. In case of 13CT139 that's impossible because the green flag shows an active status.

73's and best regards, Alex 13CT30

Hi Alex

just looked at the active members (green flag) of charly tango
and the count is as follows...

Germany 419 active members
Switzerland 4
Holland 7
England 1
Spain 1
Austria 19
San Marino 3
New Zealand 1
Australia 4
Serbia 1
Wales 1
Slovenia 1

Total 462 active members (green flag)

I was just wondering what the admin of charly tango would suggest to integrate / join the two groups ?
I know members of both groups will hold their call sign in high regard and are proud to use it on air
and most will be unwilling to change it if that call sign is already taken in either group.

cheers and best wishes
Alan

weealan wrote:

Quote :

The best way to prevent double call signs could be the way of a membership in both groups. Note that all yellow flagged call signs are already inactive. In that case one shall apply for the wanted number. In case of 13CT139 that's impossible because the green flag shows an active status.

73's and best regards, Alex 13CT30

Hi Alex

just looked at the active members (green flag) of charly tango
and the count is as follows...

Germany 419 active members
Switzerland 4
Holland 7
England 1
Spain 1
Austria 19
San Marino 3
New Zealand 1
Australia 4
Serbia 1
Wales 1
Slovenia 1

Total 462 active members (green flag)

I was just wondering what the admin of charly tango would suggest to integrate / join the two groups ?
I know members of both groups will hold their call sign in high regard and are proud to use it on air
and most will be unwilling to change it if that call sign is already taken in either group.

cheers and best wishes
Alan

You got that probably right Alan. No group of each can't merge into another while one put's out call signs also to SWL's not showing an active status and the other one does it the different way. I agree so far with you and my thoughts about being the friendly guy who tried to contact a group who are having the same intensions were probably silly as fu**k as I should have known how things like that would be turn out.
I am really sorry for you guys but as I've had already mentioned my "peace offer" has been made just because the previous officially registrated association Chaly Tango DX Group is still active as a world wide DX-Group and it isn't death at all. 
Well then it seems like you need to live with double issued call signs while you are unable to find another result. As a regular member of Charly Tango I reached out my hand for coorperation which wasn't even wanted by the admin of CT Germany.
If that is what you want, alright. Your choice !

Cheers, Alex 13CT30

Welcome Alex hope you have fun here

13CT30 wrote:

You got that probably right Alan. No group of each can't merge into another while one put's out call signs also to SWL's not showing an active status and the other one does it the different way. I agree so far with you and my thoughts about being the friendly guy who tried to contact a group who are having the same intensions were probably silly as fu**k as I should have known how things like that would be turn out.
I am really sorry for you guys but as I've had already mentioned my "peace offer" has been made just because the previous officially registrated association Chaly Tango DX Group is still active as a world wide DX-Group and it isn't death at all. 
Well then it seems like you need to live with double issued call signs while you are unable to find another result. As a regular member of Charly Tango I reached out my hand for coorperation which wasn't even wanted by the admin of CT Germany.
If that is what you want, alright. Your choice !

Cheers, Alex 13CT30

To be honest, Alex, The similar call signs wasn't a problem (for me anyway) until you posted and seemed to think it is. You already said that the head person of your group doesn't speak English, and I suspect that is the same with most non English speaking users of your German group. The recognised international language on the air is English, so I guess most DXers around the world look for contacts in English. Personally, I don't see a problem with your smaller group continuing as you are. In my opinion, there's no need to merge with this one, or whatever you were hoping for. By the way, I can only speak for myself, but no need to feel sorry for me; I'm happy with this group and not at all worried about the possibility of my callsign being cloned by another group that I'd never heard of until yesterday. You're here and most welcome, so I guess you are happy being part of Charlie Tango, too.

Best 73

Deb

Alex,









This is such a shame that you have taken this stance as we would have loved to have worked with other groups that stand organised for the betterment of their members with the fantastic hobby of the radio interest. We do after all share the same radio air-waves.

If further communication is provided by someone officially involved with the daily administration of the Charly-Tango group we may open further private discussion towards a mutual understanding but unfortunately it won't be with you.



Lastly, I am very happy with the overall responses from members of our group towards a very difficult situation that arose with this apparent discussion.
I thank each and every one of you for your integrity and wish you well with your radio interests no matter what they may be.