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PostSubject: Silver Rod   Silver Rod Icon_minitimeThu Nov 25, 2021 9:17 pm

Somebody mentioned this antenna in another thread, am actually thinking of getting one of these, and was looking at it before you mentioned it, it seems a good option for a first 11m antenna.  Ok bought one, arrives 1st December.
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Rod   Silver Rod Icon_minitimeThu Nov 25, 2021 9:29 pm

Had one for a while in the '80s. Good value, good bandwidth, easy to SWR end fed vertical half wave. Did me good. Even still got skip contacts when it came indoors and was led flat in my loft.

Construction might be cheaper/weaker these days, I am sure others on here can comment on that. I see a lot of people prefer the A99s for strength, but there's quite a difference in price.
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Rod   Silver Rod Icon_minitimeThu Nov 25, 2021 9:36 pm

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easy to SWR end fed vertical half wave

Blurb says its a 5/8 wave, but that may be a later model, as I've never operated CB and don't really know.

I have decided to put the money in the transceiver rather than the antenna at this point, so its either an Albrecht or a McKinley, can always tell the wife the antenna has broken later...
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Rod   Silver Rod Icon_minitimeThu Nov 25, 2021 9:39 pm

Ah, there's 1/2 and 5/8 wave versions. The 5/8 will be have a tad more gain. I had the 1/2 wave.

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PostSubject: Re: Silver Rod   Silver Rod Icon_minitimeThu Nov 25, 2021 10:23 pm

The Sirio GPE 5/8 amd GPS 1/2 are good well built Silver rods, and they are not much more expensive than the Generic Bacofoil Venom, Sigma , Scorpion variants.

I would take a 5/8 GPE over a A99 any day of the week, better performance and less noise on RX.

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PostSubject: Re: Silver Rod   Silver Rod Icon_minitimeThu Nov 25, 2021 11:31 pm

Mudslinger wrote:
The Sirio GPE 5/8 amd GPS 1/2 are good well built Silver rods, and they are not much more expensive than the Generic Bacofoil Venom, Sigma , Scorpion variants.

I would take a 5/8 GPE over a A99 any day of the week, better performance and less noise on RX.

Its the Sigma Venom 5/8 High Gain I think I've actually bought.

I've no idea how tall it is, but the Diamond V2000 is 2.5 metres, so I expect the Sigma is taller.

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PostSubject: Re: Silver Rod   Silver Rod Icon_minitimeFri Nov 26, 2021 12:18 am

Mudslinger wrote:
The Sirio GPE 5/8 amd GPS 1/2 are good well built Silver rods, and they are not much more expensive than the Generic Bacofoil Venom, Sigma , Scorpion variants.

I would take a 5/8 GPE over a A99 any day of the week, better performance and less noise on RX.
Been using the Sirio GPE 5/8 wave for the last 6 months and what a great antenna for price and the performance is fantastic.
Get it up nice and high and your soon be DX’ing all over the world and also stands up well to strong winds and hasn’t bent,The only problem I get is a magpie sits on the anti static cage on the tuning tip and bends it over slightly,Luckily their £7 from Knights for a replacement if you don’t fancy bending it back straight yourself..lol
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Rod   Silver Rod Icon_minitimeFri Nov 26, 2021 6:43 pm

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Mudslinger wrote:
The Sirio GPE 5/8 amd GPS 1/2 are good well built Silver rods, and they are not much more expensive than the Generic Bacofoil Venom, Sigma , Scorpion variants.

I would take a 5/8 GPE over a A99 any day of the week, better performance and less noise on RX.

Its the Sigma Venom 5/8 High Gain I think I've actually bought.

I've no idea how tall it is, but the Diamond V2000 is 2.5 metres, so I expect the Sigma is taller.
The one which I had was about 19 feet when SWR'd in. I sent it back because the quality of it was terrible. Thin metal, rough edges where joins were etc.

It would probably be good for portable DX though as they are very light and easy to carry.I certainly wouldn't trust it in too much wind though.

The Sirio is Much Much better.


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PostSubject: Re: Silver Rod   Silver Rod Icon_minitimeFri Nov 26, 2021 6:54 pm

Had to look it up, says the Venom is 5995mm length, so a tad under 20ft like you say, must say this is going to mean the top of the antenna will be about 40ft AGL when on top of my 20ft tower, a little higher than I thought, I'll have to get my son to put it up when the wife has gone shopping or something, as she did question the 2.5m or ~28ft that the top of the V2000 was going to reach, I'll just tell her its the V2000 when it goes up as I'm sure it will all look smaller...
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Rod   Silver Rod Icon_minitimeFri Nov 26, 2021 6:57 pm

Yeah the Sirio is much better and the only extra things I did were for any nut or screw I added Loctite,and wrapped self amalgamating tape over ever antenna joint and around the plastic sleeve that pulls down to protect the copper coil,Also around the coax connection.Touch wood everything seems fine with a SWR if 1:1 apart from that bastard magpie..lol
Well impressed with the £50 it cost me.
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Rod   Silver Rod Icon_minitimeFri Nov 26, 2021 9:14 pm

Chickenfoot@1987 wrote:
Yeah the Sirio is much better and the only extra things I did were for any nut or screw I added Loctite,and wrapped self amalgamating tape over ever antenna joint and around the plastic sleeve that pulls down to protect the copper coil,Also around the coax connection.Touch wood everything seems fine with a SWR if 1:1 apart from that bastard magpie..lol
Well impressed with the £50 it cost me.
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Have you thought about putting some cable ties on the top cage with the loose ends pointing skywards? That should keep the magpie off.

My Sirio is down right now, but it was up for 4 years and looks almost as good as it did the day it went up. Apart from a small amount of surface rust on the bottom plate which holds the radials.

I also taped over the joins, but I used decent quality PVC tape.

For the money you cannot beat the Sirio, it easily outperforms the A99 which I had previously.
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Rod   Silver Rod Icon_minitimeFri Nov 26, 2021 9:59 pm

The XYL has discovered my plans for the Butternut HF-9V...

May have to buy a radial kit for it, and put all 26ft of it on top of the tower, not sure how this will 'interact' with the Venom...

May have to buy her a new kitchen to get a ground mounting...damn.
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PostSubject: Re: Silver Rod   Silver Rod Icon_minitimeFri Nov 26, 2021 11:45 pm

I've got a halfwave silver rod on my tower block roof (18 floors up) here in London. she works just fine. I get out all over the place straight out the back of my radios (cobra 148 GTL DX MK 1 with a 575 m6 teardrop mic. I also use an alinco DX 10. I do have a linear too but I hardly ever use it unless DXing on sidebands. I was gonna get a more expensive antenna than my £35 silver rod but the Knights guy said it ain't worth paying £100 more to possibly get an extra S point. He said at that height (tower block roof) the s rod would be fine.  He was right. 1.1 swr

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PostSubject: Re: Silver Rod   Silver Rod Icon_minitimeSat Nov 27, 2021 9:41 am

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I've got a halfwave silver rod on my tower block roof (18 floors up) here in London

Wow, just, wow Smile
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I've got a halfwave silver rod on my tower block roof (18 floors up) here in London. she works just fine. I get out all over the place straight out the back of my radios (cobra 148 GTL DX MK 1 with a 575 m6 teardrop mic. I also use an alinco DX 10. I do have a linear too but I hardly ever use it unless DXing on sidebands. I was gonna get a more expensive antenna than my £35 silver rod but the Knights guy said it ain't worth paying £100 more to possibly get an extra S point. He said at that height (tower block roof) the s rod would be fine.  He was right. 1.1 swr

Do you find it works better in one direction than all the others?

Just considering where you are in the block is all, if it's on the roof then I wouldn't see a problem, but if it's mounted on the outside of the block, then just thinking the block itself might affect TX/RX as it gets in the way?
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