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PostSubject: finally got a CB   finally got a CB Icon_minitimeSat May 28, 2022 11:52 am

Hi all 

I've just swapped a handheld 70cm/2m handheld. which i was planning on doing my foundation but i haven't the time. so i put it on a marketplace and was approached by a lad who had an yeticom optima 10/11/12m SSB,AM,FM.
I'm happy with the swap to be honest and off to buy some equipment for it.

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PostSubject: Re: finally got a CB   finally got a CB Icon_minitimeSat May 28, 2022 2:45 pm

Hi Chris,

Wow, that was a swap and a half!

(Bit like Noel Edmonds managing to swap a Scrabble set for a Scalextric for those of us old enough to remember Swapshop. Wink )

Shame that you're not pursuing your Foundation any longer, (there's always another time), but hope you get to enjoy some great CB action with your 'new to you' radio. finally got a CB 1f44d


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PostSubject: Re: finally got a CB   finally got a CB Icon_minitimeSat May 28, 2022 2:48 pm

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Hi Chris,

Wow, that was a swap and a half!

(Bit like Noel Edmonds managing to swap a Scrabble set for a Scalextric for those of us old enough to remember Swapshop. Wink )

Shame that you're not pursuing your Foundation any longer, (there's always another time), but hope you get to enjoy some great CB action with your 'new to you' radio. finally got a CB 1f44d


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Thank you for your kind words.
The handheld I swapped was a Wouxun UV9K pro pack.
Nice little radio but I wanted to get on 11m as my friend does it. 
Just need a power pack and an antenna. (Maybe Thunderpole 5)

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PostSubject: Re: finally got a CB   finally got a CB Icon_minitimeSat May 28, 2022 3:11 pm

No worries there Chris, bet you're well chuffed with the swap. Smile

Always helps if you have a friend with the same interests when it comes to radio though, with either showing you the ropes or even just someone else to contact. finally got a CB 1f44d

(You can always try for Foundation another time if your interest peaks again in that direction.)

I wish you well with your radio accessories/station shopping - The only real 'fun' shopping there is!


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PostSubject: Re: finally got a CB   finally got a CB Icon_minitimeMon May 30, 2022 10:24 am

If you found that 11m is not very busy  where you are , which will make the difference,  It's certainly worth finding time to get your foundation HAM licence . If you have a basic knowledge of radio you will mainly be concerned with the licence conditions . 
 I  heard hardly anything  for weeks on CB where I live and with that realisation (and a bit of encouragement from people on here) I decided to do the HAM licence.
Even on the 2m band which I was told was quiet these days you can find someone to engage with on a daily basis.

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PostSubject: Re: finally got a CB   finally got a CB Icon_minitimeMon May 30, 2022 10:31 am

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If you found that 11m is not very busy  where you are , which will make the difference,  It's certainly worth finding time to get your foundation HAM licence . If you have a basic knowledge of radio you will mainly be concerned with the licence conditions . 
 I  heard hardly anything  for weeks on CB where I live and with that realisation (and a bit of encouragement from people on here) I decided to do the HAM licence.
Even on the 2m band which I was told was quiet these days you can find someone to engage with on a daily basis.
We have a lot of people on 11m around here. Also my mate isn’t far so I can chat to him.
I was doing my foundation but just haven’t the time with the farm. Tends to slow down around around October so I’ll get the book out.

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If you found that 11m is not very busy  where you are , which will make the difference,  It's certainly worth finding time to get your foundation HAM licence . If you have a basic knowledge of radio you will mainly be concerned with the licence conditions . 
 I  heard hardly anything  for weeks on CB where I live and with that realisation (and a bit of encouragement from people on here) I decided to do the HAM licence.
Even on the 2m band which I was told was quiet these days you can find someone to engage with on a daily basis.
We have a lot of people on 11m around here. Also my mate isn’t far so I can chat to him.
I was doing my foundation but just haven’t the time with the farm. Tends to slow down around around October so I’ll get the book out.

I've found it not very busy and I'm in Shrewsbury, with Kinlet being only 25 miles away you'd have thought we'd easily hear each other, except we're either side of Wenlock Edge, ha.

Your best bet to get help with study for an Amateur Licence is to visit Kidderminster & District Amateur Radio Society on a Tuesday evening, unfortunately it only meets once a month.

Meets 8pm at the Chainwire Club, Zortech Avenue, Oldington, Kidderminster, DY11 7DY

Salop Amateur Radio Society meets every Thursday at 8pm in Shrewsbury, but that's a bit of a trek from Kinlet.

He's our website

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I hope you've been enjoying your CB shopping there Chris. finally got a CB 1f44d

If you do ever feel that you'd like to have a go at Foundation again then don't forget about the brilliant Essex Ham course :-

https://www.essexham.co.uk/train/foundation-online/

You can view their videos and track through the course at your own leisure online at any time that suits you or can accommodate in a busy life. (I know farm life is a lot more hard work, long hours and hectic than most would believe!)

You can also take the examination online finding a booking slot suitable for yourself and all you'll need is a Windows laptop or PC with webcam. I took mine on a Saturday evening with the most brilliant volunteer exam invigilator imaginable who genuinely seemed as excited at my passing as I was. Smile


I took my license course with Essex Ham due to disability and can wholly recommend them.
(My local club wanted £140 out of me for membership fees, course and hall hire!!! Cost me less than £30 doing it all online. Wink )


But don't feel pressured, if you've got some good contacts locally and a good friend on the CB bands then enjoy it all as much as you can. finally got a CB 1f44d

Don't forget the fun that can be had with PMR frequencies too and you don't need a license for that either. Wink


All the best,
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I hope you've been enjoying your CB shopping there Chris. finally got a CB 1f44d

If you do ever feel that you'd like to have a go at Foundation again then don't forget about the brilliant Essex Ham course :-

https://www.essexham.co.uk/train/foundation-online/

You can view their videos and track through the course at your own leisure online at any time that suits you or can accommodate in a busy life. (I know farm life is a lot more hard work, long hours and hectic than most would believe!)

You can also take the examination online finding a booking slot suitable for yourself and all you'll need is a Windows laptop or PC with webcam. I took mine on a Saturday evening with the most brilliant volunteer exam invigilator imaginable who genuinely seemed as excited at my passing as I was. Smile


I took my license course with Essex Ham due to disability and can wholly recommend them.
(My local club wanted £140 out of me for membership fees, course and hall hire!!! Cost me less than £30 doing it all online. Wink )


But don't feel pressured, if you've got some good contacts locally and a good friend on the CB bands then enjoy it all as much as you can. finally got a CB 1f44d

Don't forget the fun that can be had with PMR frequencies too and you don't need a license for that either. Wink


All the best,
Victor

Interesting website.

I've no idea what is on the Foundation or Intermediate Courses, as I think at the time it was Novice and Full, so I just did the RAE Exam at Colleg Powys one evening after a few weeks of part-time study with SARS.

I was tempted to register online to find out what Foundation is all about these days, but decided that wasn't a good idea.

Anyway, looking to part-ex a Yaesu FL-2100Z pre-1979 WARC Linear Amplifier, or sell it to somebody, as I want to fund another purchase for the shack, ha.
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There never was a 'Novice' class Wayne as everyone took the same RAE paper back then giving you VHF and up privileges then you took your Morse test to gain HF privileges. (Part B and Part A respectively.) Many of the old Part B license holders were automatically upgraded to 'Full' when the Morse requirement was dropped.

It's all changed nowadays and I think very much for the better in many respects but still lacking somewhat.

Pete at Essex Ham wrote a good piece comparing the old and current systems here :-

https://www.essexham.co.uk/rae-exam-reviewed.html


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There never was a 'Novice' class Wayne as everyone took the same RAE paper back then giving you VHF and up privileges then you took your Morse test to gain HF privileges. (Part B and Part A respectively.) Many of the old Part B license holders were automatically upgraded to 'Full' when the Morse requirement was dropped.

It's all changed nowadays and I think very much for the better in many respects but still lacking somewhat.

Pete at Essex Ham wrote a good piece comparing the old and current systems here :-

https://www.essexham.co.uk/rae-exam-reviewed.html


Good luck with your FL2100's. (The valves for them are now £100 a piece!!!)

I think you'll find that the Novice RAE, and Novice Licence did exist, and was turned into the Intermediate Licence.

The Novice Class Licence described in the RSGB History Archive, here.

https://rsgb.org/main/operating/licensing-novs-visitors/uk-licensing/licensing-history/

As I did the RAE and initially got a Full B Licence, M1EPB, I think I'know the difference between a 2E1/2E0 Licence and a M1/M0 Licence, as those were the choices back then.  You did the NRAE and got a 2E1, passed a 12wpm Morse and got a 2E0; you did the RAE and got an M1,passed a 12wpm Morse and got an M0.

Novice were Class A and Class B, the Novice Licence had extremely limited PEP, and extremely restricted Band Privileges, much less than the Foundation Licence has today..

The Radio Communications Agency, which was the UK Authority before OFCOM, then introduced the M5 A/B Licence, which you could get if you passed a 5wpm Morse Test, and gave you 100 Watts on all HF Bands, in addition to 400 Watts on all VHF Bands.

I was in the process of learning Morse, and when I passed my 12wpm Morse Test, I opted for an M5 Licence rather than an M0 Licence, as they had also introduced vanity call signs, where you could pick the last three letters of your call if they had not been issued, and I don't think M0WJF was available (? not sure now), plus I could see the demise of the Class A/B Licence with the dropping of an International Morse Code Qualification for HF being very much on the cards, so I opted for what would be a rare call sign, and my Initials.

I also discovered that M5WJF was a DVLA Registration that had never been issued, so bought it when I won £2,500 on the National Lottery (I think it was £250 at the time?), so effectively mobile operation was even more appealing.

In any event I was right, the RA decided to drop the Morse requirement following a ITU Decision, and only 300 or so M5 Calls were ever issued.  I was offered an M0 or to retain the M5, and declined the M0, when I was notified that all Class B (Novice/Full) and Class A/B (Full), were now Class A (Intermediate/Full), they also offered existing 2E1 Licensees a 2E0...

That is when the Foundation Licence was issued for 10 Watts, the power and band limits for Novice were raised from 5 Watts to 50 Watts all bands as Intermediate, and all Full Licences Class A, A/B, and B were then all Full.  M1's and 2E1s stopped being issued altogether.

I haven't read that link, but its severely in error if you've used that as the actual history.

Have a look here

RSGB History Archive

Sorry to labour this point so much, but I lived through this first hand and the Licensing system back then was insulting, particularly as Morse is a Low Power Mode.  Also, the system back then was a system of barriers to the hobby, why would you spend time and effort to undertake study, training, travel to another County, and pay for a City & Guilds NRAE, when you'd have to put in the same commitment to do an RAE?  Then there was the serious flaw in the Novice Licence being 5 Watts, when CB was 4 Watts and PMR446 was 0.5 Watt, and for the latter two you just went to a shop to buy one.

Not only that CB was on HF 11m, and a Novice wasn't allowed on HF unless they did a 12wpm Morse Test, again, time and effort to study, practice classes, listening and keying, and the expense of travelling and paying for an examination.

Foundation licensees really don't know how lucky they are in an enlightened today, having put myself through all that to get Full Licence Privileges, and having already put myself through months of Morse Code Training, I wasn't about to let the system at the time remain the same when I responded to the RA consultation document, I wanted more people entering the hobby, which was dying at the time with falling numbers of Licensed Amateurs year after year, and more than a few bigots building themselves their own kingdom and not aware that the walls were crashing down.

I remember the Consultation Exercise and all Radio Amateurs were sent this through the post

RA Consultation Document.

Well, Radioworld seem keen when I asked about Part-ex for an Icom IC-7100, so I may get another radio, fingers crossed.


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Thank Christ it all changed eh?

http://www.laughingpoliceman.com/amateur_radio.htm


Apologies to the OP Chris for the wayward direction his news of obtaining a CB became. Rolling Eyes
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Thank Christ it all changed eh?

http://www.laughingpoliceman.com/amateur_radio.htm


Apologies to the OP Chris for the wayward direction his news of obtaining a CB became. Rolling Eyes

Yes, almost forgot, you also had to pay for your Licence when you qualified for it, another barrier, I am not sure whether it was three yearly, but it went to every five years by the time I applied, and it may have been annual renewal before then.

They were talking about extending it to every ten years, and whilst I was away from the hobby it went lifetime with no fee, but renewed every five years (don't forget, easily done!).

Wow, the barriers, and I went through all that and was still smiling when I went and bought my first radio...

Ha, can hardly believe it now.

Yes, apologies to Chris as OP.
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Thats a great radio

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